Welcome to Other People's Perspective, a place for you to listen, learn, laugh, and always feel better at the end of every episode, taking something bigger away from it for you and others. And now, here's your host, Freddie Kutching.

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Other People's Perspective. I'm your host, Freddy Cocek Today, my guest is a gentleman by the name of Andrew Wilson, more affectionately known as Drooby, Drooby Wilson. Good to have you, sir.

Freddy Cocek

I'm grateful to be here, man. I'm excited. And it's, uh, you know, Freddie, it's been really fun getting to know you and see your perspective on life and growth. So the opportunity to be here and share a little bit of mine, I know we're going to have a good time today.

Andrew Wilson

Yes, sir. Absolutely. I appreciate that. I, uh, I've, I've been told I have some interesting perspectives on things. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I guess, I guess as life progresses, we'll, we'll determine that.

Freddy Cocek

Well, you know, let's lead off on that because I've always said that success is very much a perspective. And where I think a lot of people kind of get lost or get mistaken along the way is everyone telling them what success should be. Oh, you have to go to school and do this or you have to get this kind of job or you need to drive this kind of car or have this sort of watch or, you know, date these kind of people. And ultimately, that is someone else's perspective. Absolutely. We get biased by it as we're growing up because we only know what we know from the people we're surrounded by. And one of the things that I've personally experienced and I know a lot of clients that I've worked with have experiences that when you shift that and you start to look at in my own life, What brings me joy? What makes me genuinely get the butterflies, the goosebumps, whatever you want to call it? And how can you lean in and do more of that? Because that is what your version, your perspective of success really is. And a lot of people will try to tell you otherwise, but I'm here to tell you that if you can dial in on it, man, that's the game right there. That's the true freedom.

Absolutely. Yeah, success is kind of a subjective item. I find it's kind of relative to the individual because everyone's measuring stick on how they measure success. It's different. what one person feels they need to achieve or need to do to be successful is going to be different than what this guy or this person feels that their level of achievement in a given area is, that's their measure of success. And another thing that I bet you can agree with me on this, what we as individuals, what we define as our levels and our measures of success, it changes over time as we grow and evolve and progress. And the things that were your measure of success 10 years ago you achieved those goals and those levels and measures of success, but as time progresses, and as we experience different things, we're exposed to different things, different people, different schools of thought, different ideals, what we consider success, it has the ability and the tendency to change, or it has for me anyways. I think it happens like that for almost everybody.

I would say that you're 100% factual and accurate with that. And I would even challenge people to think that if you were to stop right now and look back 10 years ago, if you had achieved your actual version of success of what you thought you were supposed to be 10 years ago, how would you feel about it today? Because I can promise you there's a lot of people that had goals 10 years ago that had they actually achieved those goals, their lives would be significantly worse than what it is right now. Because a lot of times we set goals that are not very good goals. You know, as kids, I grew up in the streets selling anything and everything I could get my hands on. So the goals back then was to be the king of the drug dealers and the big boss man. And you know what, objectively, Do you know what happens to those guys in every movie, in every story, in every single conversation that someone has about them? They die or end up in prison. They never end up successful. So like, if you had achieved those goals. would you be where you want to be today? And that's the thing that is important because you can change your goals. You can change your perspective. You're not locked in to only being what someone told you you were supposed to be 10, 15, 20 years ago when you were born or as you were growing up. It's okay to change. It's actually great because if you're changing and you're moving in the right direction and you're surrounding yourself with people like Freddie who want you to learn, who want you to get better and grow, Well, then that's what's going to happen.

I think the more. The more things that we as individuals can experience, the more data we can take in and see different points of view, different perspectives, different outlooks on things. It broadens your horizon, so to speak, I guess. And it affords us the opportunity to change our goals, because like you say, what you saw as a goal 10 years ago, where would you be if you set a goal 10 years ago, and if you had achieved that goal by now, or if you had achieved it five years prior, where would you be? What kind of person would it have made you be at this point or whenever you achieved it? instead of achieving this goal you had a long time ago, as you lived life, and as you progressed, and as you paid attention to things going on around you, and you experienced things that were happening, it broadened your horizon, and it changed your goal. And you went, well, you know what? Hey, instead of being the Instead of being the king of the block, fucking selling dime bags or rocks or whatever. Hey, maybe that's not a goal I need to have. Maybe I need to shift my goal from that to something else.

So well, and here's here's something that I've always kind of thought was interesting. And you're a father, so you can relate to this and you'll understand. But, you know, thinking about our parents, if we went back and talked to them, you know, when they are our age and they've got young kids and we were like, hey, if your kid grows up and they're successful, what would that mean? You know, what would that look like? Our parents would have some 100% different perspective or version of our life being successful. Well, he'd be a doctor, he'd be a lawyer, he'd be an astronaut, whatever, right? They had some dream or goal for us. But if you looked at where we are right now, are we anywhere close to what our parents thought we should be in life? Probably not, right? Like the majority of us, probably not. So here's the other flip side of that. And this is where it gets a little crazy and tricky is as a parent of your own, what is our version of success for our kids? And is it there? Is that what we really want for them? Or is it what we want for them for us to feel successful?

Sure. It's funny that you say that or bring it up in that manner because I had kind of a similar conversation with my youngest the other day. My boys are 23 and 15. Freddie's off doing his own thing. He's doing well. He just took on a new job. He's got, you know, in his, he's got in his sights, he's got, you know, marriage and family and wanting to settle down and getting himself established. And I'm like ridiculously proud of him for that. I'm stoked. Like he's, you know, I've always tried to be there for the boys as a, as a support system. And I, I told Freddie, I said, you know, you, you do your thing. I'm don't don't forget that I'm here and don't ever think that just because you don't see me or don't hear from me. That doesn't mean that I'm not here to support you. So, you know, always bear that in mind, but You know, I want you to figure out your own shit and, and make your own way, do your own things, but you'll, you'll always need help, whether it's for me or someone else anyways. So he's doing well. Hey Lynn, you know, he's a sophomore in high school. He's he's the kid's got a, he's got a different mind. He's he's 15 by age, but he, he thinks in a. he thinks in a, in a different capacity, like he, he functions on a, on a higher level than most kids in his age bracket and his, you know, the way that he looks at things and views things is, is different. I guess, I guess maybe it's sometimes it's kind of hard for me to comprehend because I wasn't expecting one of my kids to be that way. It's, it's awesome. You know, they're, they're both unique in their own respects and I love it, but you know, to, to your point of what you were saying, you know, Halen and I were having a little conversation and I've always kind of carry in the back of my mind, we got on the topic of You know, parents, I see a lot of kids that are either teenagers now or people that are in their 20s or even in their early, mid 30s. I see a, it doesn't happen all the time, but I see a pattern of a lot of kids and even, you know, I call them kids, but once they're adults into their adult years, you know, finding their own way, making their own career and doing their own shit. I see a lot of patterns where these kids turned adults are pursuing the same careers and the same professions that their parents or that their family may have or may pursue and be established in, which is great. Don't get me wrong. It can be. They're doing well, doing successful. But one thing that I tried to convey to Halen, I said, He's wanting to, you know, when he graduates high school, he wants to go on to go study abroad. He's talking about wanting to go to Europe, namely possibly Germany for college. He wants to pursue some type or some level of engineering, which I think is awesome. I don't know where in the hell he came up with that because I don't have an interest in that, but I love the fact that he is like his own person and he is, you know, he's taking an interest in whatever, and he's pursuing that to, to try and make it happen for himself rather than be like, well, you know, I'm going to do what my dad did, you know, or, you know, I'm going to follow, you know, I'm going to follow what my mom, what mom does or what dad does. And, and, um, you know, my, my dad, my dad passed away many years ago. He passed away in 2002. So he's been gone a long time, but he grew up, he, he worked in a, uh, uh, uh, chemical plant in a refinery. Uh, when I was a kid and I always remember him, he, we lived, we, we didn't want or hurt for anything, but we live modestly. My dad took a lot of his money was put away and savings for college for myself and college for my sister. And I always remember him talking about how he wanted us to get an education so that we didn't have to do what he did. And. I didn't follow the college path. I wanted to go to work and I wanted to make money and I wanted to follow a different path than what he wanted for me, but I respect him very much for having had that presence of mind, but he wasn't trying to, he wasn't trying to tell me, Hey, you know, you, you know, you can go get you a good plant job. You know, you can make good money. You got good benefits and you can retire from there and blah, blah, blah. You know, he didn't impress that upon me. And I don't try and do that with, with the boys. I want them.

I think that's so cool though, because you know, you. His version of success was that his kids didn't have to go work in a plant like him. And so even if you didn't necessarily go directly down that path, you still and you went to work and you were successful. And that was your choice. That was your version of success. That's what's so fun and interesting about this whole thing, Freddie, is that as we grow and progress and as we get around different thinkers and people with other perspectives on life, we start to recognize that opportunity is endless. One of my favorite quotes from a mentor is, methods are many, principles are few. Methods may vary, but principles never do. There's a million ways to make a million dollars. Anyone that's ever made a million dollars is going to say, guess what? Here's a few couple things that I had to do every single day, every single week, every single year to get to this point. If you'll just do those things long enough, the money will come. And that is why I love having these kinds of conversations. It's why I love really thinking about, you know, for myself as a father, how am I challenging myself and my son to think bigger, to think different, and to see other perspectives on life? Because just because I see it one way doesn't make it the right way necessarily. Now, we all know there are laws and morals and ethics and these different things that we subscribe to. But ultimately, that doesn't always mean that it's right, at least not for him or for the people that I'm working with or for the individuals who I'm coaching. It's all about that perspective and getting clear on what is your version of it. writing it down, making it plain, giving yourself goals and metrics to work towards. And then literally it's just showing up and doing the work every day, just living life and having fun and embracing the journey because that's what it is. You know, like at the end of this thing, as I mentioned before, you're dead. That's it. Lights out, no more, you know? So why not make the best of it and enjoy the perspective that you have? Because you get the choice every day. You can wake up and be mad and be miserable, or you can wake up and go, that's pretty sweet. Here's what we got. Let's go have some fun.

We're all going out the same way. Ain't none of us getting out alive. Yeah, definitely, you know, pay attention along the way and make the best out of it because there's like you say, you know, the, the opportunity opportunity is, is not literally endless, but it's seemingly endless. I mean, there, there ain't, there, there's nobody. It's like the, it's like the end of the internet. You're not going to find it.

You know, you can try real hard and you'll spend a long time, but man, you'll keep searching. Cause they'll keep creating new ways and new places to go.

Yeah, and that's great. That's like a beacon for anyone that's struggling to find, well, where do I fit in? What should I be doing? Or what should I be pursuing? It's like just to start. And I also get the flip side of it is, There can almost be, I'm not gonna say too much opportunity, but for some people, it can be like an overload. It's like, holy shit, well, where do I start? There's so many options.

So this is a great point, and this is a great teaching moment for people, Freddie, because there are endless opportunities, and the biggest issue is people don't want to just pick and work towards one. They want it all. They want to be greedy. They want 17 streams of income because that's what they've always been told millionaires have. But here's once again, anyone that's ever made a million dollars will tell you, hey, I had to do one thing really, really well first. And then all the other stuff became an ancillary, a need, an integration of what I was trying to work towards with the main thing. which is how all these other streams became because, hey man, in the trucking business, turns out you need gas and oil. So I went and bought a gas and oil company and did things over there so that I can put trucks on the road. And then once the trucks were on the road, turns out we needed insurance. So I went and bought an insurance company. Like you can just spiral down that path, but it all started with one thing, one singular focus, and then letting it build from there.

Yeah, it's, it's better, it's much more beneficial and much more realistic to focus on one. And you gotta have your foundation. You gotta build out your foundation and build it firmly before you can support all, like you say, these other ancillary items and all these other multiple streams of income, all these branches hanging off of the tree. You can't do all that shit at once. You can do it, but you're not near as effective as if you focus on the one item and be consistent and be persistent with that one thing until you've mastered it and that's your base, that's your basis, and then grow from there or branch out. But yeah, it's the... The opportunity thing, it's everywhere, but it's, hey, me too. I've struggled with it. We all have. Anybody that has an opportunistic mindset or has the opportunist outlook on things, yeah, it's like, you're doing this, you're headed in a direction with this particular thing, and then inevitably, you're going to come across all these different things. It's like, you know, the whole shiny object shit, or it's like, oh, piece of candy. You know, it's like, oh, you know, it's like, no, you know, those things look great, but. do the absolute best that you can to stay in your lane and stay focused on that one item or that one process that you need to master and get it down to a science and get it proven and functional and consistent and steady before You go, you know, try to build all these other things and do all these other things.

Well, I mean, think about it like this. If it's a shiny object, what's happening? You're looking away from the main thing. What's that doing? It's changing your perspective. And so now all of a sudden, the main thing isn't the main thing anymore because you got shined off by the shiny object. Your perspective has changed. and guess what guys that's what catches fish you ever think about the fact that when you go fishing you use a shiny lure so that you can get their attention from the thing they're supposed to be focused on and then all of a sudden they got a giant hook in their mouth and they're getting fried up You don't wanna get fried up, I promise you. You don't want that hook in your mouth because a lot of times it's way, way worse than had you just kept doing the thing that you were doing all along because now you're having to make up time. Now you're having to fix all of these problems that you created for yourself because you thought, you know what? I'm gonna take a shortcut. All these people over here in this industry, they're making way more money than me. So let me just go over there and do that instead. But you don't see that on the other side of that brick wall, It's a whole lot of work. There's a giant trench that you're going to have to climb through. There's going to be weeds and barbed wire and all kinds of shit that you're going to deal with all of it. And then you're going to get to the side over there and you're going to look back and go, well, what the hell was the point of doing all this? I'm still not making any money. And now I feel like I'm an idiot.

Yeah, stay focused. And then you've lost ground on the thing that you took your focus off of. You know, in the meantime, when you when you got distracted and you veered over here and you directed your attention to this, this thing that you were pushing up the hill, when you stopped pushing it up the hill, all of a sudden it came back down the hill. And you're what's the more soft than started.

There's a cliche quote, and I don't remember what it is exactly, but it's like, if you started on a path today and you took a one degree difference, where are you going to end up 10 years from now? You know, if you leave Miami beach, Florida going north, and then you turn one degree to the west. Where are you gonna end up versus if you were to just kept going north while you're probably gonna end up over by alaska at some point cuz you're way off where you're supposed to be you're not gonna end up here in toledo ohio where i'm at you gonna be out there and no man's land but the same thing happens in your life and in your business if you get off track by one degree. The compounding exponential effect of that is hard to even fathom. But the good news is there's people like Freddie, we're putting out content like this podcast where we can share this knowledge that we've had the experience of being one to maybe 90 degrees off course, 180 degree turnaround to fix our lives at some point, because we were going the absolute wrong direction. But it was all perspective. And at some point, someone grabbed us and shook us and was like, hey, kid, let me share something with you. Even if it goes in one ear and one out the other, it'll rattle around just long enough that maybe. one or two of you goofballs will listen and you'll make some different decisions in your life. And so Freddie, I'm just grateful that you gave me a chance to come on here and share some of that because like, this is the stuff I didn't have as a kid. My dad wasn't around. I didn't have anyone teaching me this shit.

Hey, there's, there's so, so much that, that I've been exposed to in the last couple of years and, and yourself included so much that, you know, I'm a firm believer that everything comes to us and everything happens in its right time and when it's meant to, even though I can look back two years and go, well, shit, the things that I was shown and taught and learned two years ago, why didn't I come across those things 20 years before that? Where would I be now had I not gotten that stuff sooner? in the grand scheme of things, there's a reason why not. But the fact that we are in positions where we're coming across the things and the people that we're coming across and encountering those things, learning what we're learning, it steers us in the direction we're meant to be headed in. And I'm trying to take all of this as an opportunity to, I guess, pay it forward. And for lack of a better term, maybe pay it forward is not the right word to use or the right phrase. But I want to pass it on to make impact on someone else, like my kids. I got kids. You got kids. I talked to my sons, I talked to my son's friend, one of, one of, uh, one of Halen's, one of his classmates, the, this girl, it's his age. She's a sophomore. She like texted me out of the blue the other day. And she was like, Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I'm listening to your podcast, blah, blah, blah. Or I'm going to listen to it. We're in the car. And this is like a, you know, 15, 16 year old girl. And she's like, I really, I'm really enjoying it. And thank you so much for doing this. And I'm like, Like, boom, like right there, like, that was a moment. I'm like, that's, that's why that that's, that's like the biggest part of why I'm, I'm doing what I'm doing. Um, you know, not, not because I'm trying to make a million dollars off of it or because I'm, you know, trying to turn it into a money machine, you know, it, it, uh, That stuff will pay its dividends over time in ways that are better than monetary.

I'll share something with you here, because I have a podcast too. I've done a little over 1,500 total episodes between my show and guest appearances. I've spent a lot of time running my mouth, Freddie. You know, along the years, at one point, I kind of got a little burnt out on recording and was like, man, I think I've said everything I have to say. I'm not sure what else I'm going to do.

The burnout happens to all of us, you know that.

Well, for sure. But you know, my mother-in-law, she's a wonderful blessing and a curse all at the same time as all mother-in-laws are. I love her dearly. Don't get me wrong. She might even listen to this episode. So Sarah, if you're listening, I love you. Hopefully she hears it. This one thing for many times, but this, I was talking about quitting and she's like, well, why would you quit? Because, you know, think about how incredible it is that your son, God forbid something happened to you. You know, he's got all of these episodes and all of these, what would we, you know, be a, a one-to-one conversation that you would have driving down a dirt road or heading to the store or having some kind of deep reflective conversation. Like you've had all of these and he could go back and listen to those. So even if you weren't around, you know, God forbid, he would still have a lifetime worth of content that he could go back and get your wisdom and your experience from. And I was just like. Well, damn it, Sarah, I guess I can't not make them anymore. Like shit, what better reason to show up and create content and record the stories and to share the message than just to know that at some point, even if it's not my son, but my son's son or daughter or their son or daughter could go back and listen to this content and really grow and learn. And that, to me, is what really leaving a legacy is. That's a perspective that I think most people overlook, is that they doubt the validity and the value of their own struggle and how powerful that story can be for the people in their lives.

Yeah, that's huge. Absolutely huge. And to look at all of this, podcasting, the exchanging of information and ideas, to look at it from one angle as I'm doing this so that I can I can try and parlay some of this information and some of this knowledge to other people that hopefully at least one person out of whoever hears it, hopefully at least one person can benefit from it. If one person can benefit or make themselves better or do something better, then it's all worth it. That's one noble angle to look at it from. to take it even further and, you know, take it into consideration and say, well, hey, this is like this is like on some level, this is like a chronicle of my life, you know, that. I can look back on or my kids or my kids, kids or, you know, it's it's I was thinking about the deal the other day about, you know, my family, when I was when I was a kid growing up and even now, like we were We weren't like picture takers. There's the amount of history, like I've been struggling over the last more than a year trying to find a picture. My dad had a tattoo on this arm. that was just his name. It was a very simple tattoo, but it's like one piece that I'm trying to find. And I want to replicate that tattoo and put it on myself, you know, just for nostalgic purposes. But because we documented our lives, you know, I don't want to say poorly, but it wasn't a priority. And, you know, now I'm like, you know, like, am I going to find it? I found some stuff that's close, but I, I can't, I can't locate it. Hopefully I will at some point, but I've just about exhausted my resources. And, you know, if I, if I don't ever find a picture of it, you know, it is what it is. I'll put that project aside and go on, but, you know, to the, it speaks to, you know, the idea of, for a lot of people don't think, just like you were saying, a lot of people don't think that their story or their background, their history, their story, their struggle, they don't think that it's significant or that it's important, or at least not important enough to talk about and share with other people. But that's like, in my opinion, that's a huge misconception because Your story, your struggle, the things that you've lived, the things that you've done, the things that you've gone through, that resonates with someone somewhere, just as my story and things that I've done and gone through, it will resonate with someone. And inevitably, it will. And even better beyond that, if we're taking pictures and chronicling, you know, not every single day, not every fucking step of your life, but if we're chronicling, you know, some of the major events and, and, you know, otherwise your, your history is lost. That that's another, like, that's, that's been a huge thing, you know, since, you know, my, my dad, you know, after my dad passed pretty much everybody on that side of the family, um, He had two siblings. They both, you know, they both passed away, excuse me, years ago. My grandmother, like everybody on that side's gone. And so there's really a lot of lost history that I'll never know. And when I think about it, I'm like, well, you know, shit, that really sucks. And, but there's, I mean, it's when it's gone, it's gone. And, you know, we in, in, in this moment, in this day and age with all the resources we have, and with my, you know, technologically challenged ass, we can still, we can still do that. You know, we can, we can utilize this. to try and benefit others. And if nothing else, it's equally important and substantial for the fact that, you know, we're doing this because your kids can refer back to it. Your grandkids, my kids, my grandkids, whoever else, I mean, it'll always, you know, theoretically, it'll always be there. It'll always exist. And it'll be a point of reference.

Well, and you know, Freddie, I know we're coming up for time here and I could probably run my mouth and we could shoot the shit all day long. And now, because this is what is half, this is what happens when two amazing people get together and they get a chance to share their perspective. So like, man, I'm truly grateful for that. But I always, whenever I'm working with someone, when they hire me to coach them, or if they're asking for my advice and my wisdom, one of the first things I ask them is, you know, what is your time worth? Cause a lot of people don't know. A lot of people are stuck in that mindset of like, oh, I don't know, $10 an hour, $25 an hour, whatever it is. Like here's, here's the math on it. You guys want to know what your time's worth? Add up all the money that you made last year, your main job, your side gig. You know, maybe you're selling foot pictures on the internet and getting paid. I'm not judging. I'm just saying you're putting the time, energy, effort into getting that stuff done to make that money. So add it all up. And then you're going to divide it by the number 2000, because if you were a quote average person, which you're not, cause you're listening to this show and you're trying to get better. But if you were, you'd work 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, and you'd take a two week vacation. So you'd be working 40 hours times 50 weeks is 2000 hours. So if you made a hundred grand last year and you divided that by 2000, you're worth about 50 bucks an hour. Yeah. All right, for someone like me who grew up in the streets thinking $10 an hour is grunt labor, $20 an hour is factory money, and that's lifetime. 50 bucks an hour sounds amazing. But some of you go, man, if I only made a hundred grand last year, my family would go broke. I couldn't even afford to pay for the house that I live in. How would I do anything? Okay, so here's the question. If I put my hood up, And I knock on the door and I hand you a note that says, congratulations, my name is death. You now have 24 hours left to live and you only value yourself at X amount of dollars based on the fact that I know what you did last year, how much time, energy, and effort you put in and how much money you made. And I also know how much time you wasted doing things that did not make you any money. So here's 50 bucks. I need you to come with me for an hour. We all know the response is gonna be a bunch of expletives or absolutely not. Like, there's no fucking way that I'm doing that. And I agree, you're right. But there is a number. Because at some point, we all recognize money is a tool and a resource that we use to buy back the things that matter to us most in life. Our time, our energy, and our effort. And we can supplement energy and effort with drugs, but that's a whole different conversation that doesn't last long. But at the end of the day, Those are the finite assets, time, energy, and effort. Where are you spending those things? Because I can promise you when you get clarity on that, the amount of money that you make will go way, way up. And at the end of the day, it really won't even matter because the things that are most important Those will be getting done. Those goals will be met. Those resources will be utilized and you'll start living the life that you actually want. You'll start having the success that is your perspective. But until you get clear on that, none of it, none of it's going to matter because you're the only one who can truly value your time, energy, and effort at that level. And until you're ready to do so, it's going to be hard to get there.

Absolutely. Yeah. And that it's, uh, I think that's a difficult shift in, in mindset or perspective for, for some people to, to, uh, like you said, to, to put a, put a value on your time, but to, to make that, make that shift or understand that, that shift or that change to, you know, where money and the financial aspect of it is not as important and the money is not the end goal. I remember hearing some time back, I think Sammy Knight said this, somebody said it and they talked about, basically they called money, referred to money as a by-product of what they were doing. And it's most people, Most people probably struggle to look at it in that light or to understand it that way. But when a person gets themselves in that frame of mind or gets themselves in that position where you're looking at it as what you're doing and how you're doing it is more important than you know, the amount of money you're making at it. I mean, yes, obviously, you know, earning money, you've got to work your ass off and you've got to earn money and earn a substantial amount of money to the extent that you can kind of, that helps to kind of facilitate the shift in some respects, I guess. But when the purpose and the outcome is more important and more prevalent than, you know, the dollar figure that's on it, The money comes, the money comes.

It's that right there, Freddy. And here's the, it's a silly joke, but you know, we, we see the memes all the time. You ever see a crack head go without crack? No, because they have purpose, they have intent, and they have a reason to go and hustle and do the work. The problem is most people's why, their reason, their perspective, it's not strong enough to get them to go do the thing that they know they should be doing in their heart of hearts. A lot of people are making excuses, they're rationalizing it, and they're letting other people's perspectives prevent them from achieving the thing that they want most in life because they're They're afraid, they're scared. They don't want to, you know, be made fun of. They don't want to feel guilty or shameful. Like there's a million different things that people could put on themselves, but at the end of the day, either you want it or you don't. And if you're saying you want it, you better be doing the work to prove it because the universe will let you know whether you're not. Yeah.

Amen to that. That ain't no joke, man. Oh. Well, that's a lot of this is stirring up and bringing back some memories of when I started to get more exposed to this school of thought and this thinking, which I wish everyone or I wish a vast majority of people could be exposed to these thoughts and this way of thinking to where it kind of shifts you from being, I think functioning and living without purpose. And I hate to see that with people. I seem to encounter it more and more. Or maybe it's just when you start asking people, hey, what are your goals? Where do you want to be by a year from now, three years, five years? Where do you want to be? What do you want to do? If you go and ask that question to a lot of people, a lot of them can't tell you. A lot of them, they just say, well, one of the things that kills me the most is just to hear somebody say, well, I just, so what do you want to be? When I was in a previous relationship, I asked my girlfriend, I said, What do you want out of life? What do you want to do? And it was like I was asking a terrible question. It was almost like I was trying to be offensive. And I said, well, shit, I'm not trying to be offensive. I'm just genuinely asking. So I just want to make enough money to pay my bills and be happy. And I'm like, okay, I respect that. But to me, that's I feel like people should be more focused and more driven to want more than just to exist for themselves. I hate to see people not focused to that extent, to where that's where they are. just like at the beginning of all this, talking about seemingly limitless and endless opportunity, it's the opportunities out there to do damn near whatever a person desires, whatever they wanna be, whatever they wanna achieve, the opportunities are out there to get there. It's all about the personal discipline and the focus to be consistent and pursue that. But a lot of people, they don't want to do the work or they just want to settle for mediocrity or comfort and complacency. And that's OK, but it kind of leaves you lacking. I feel like people aren't living up to their full potential if they're not focusing and not taking advantage of all that opportunity that's around us everywhere.

it's hard shit, learning, growing, failing, making mistakes, making a lot of wins, making a lot of money, losing a lot of money. And I kind of boiled it down because as we talked about this whole time in, success is a perspective. My version is different than Freddy's. Freddy's version is definitely different than what his kids see for themselves. And if you were to ask, you know, our parents, again, they're wildly different. But at the end of the day, if you go through the book and you just start getting clarity on what is your time worth, where are you spending it, why are you spending it in those places, and what's the return on that investment? Because again, man, if we know that is the one finite resource that we have, time, We should probably be a little bit smarter about how we're using it. That's all I'm saying. And I think the book will help you with that process. So check it out, go to call the damn leads.com find us, you know, like do all the things, but do the work. That's the most important part of any of this. If you've learned one thing here today, take it and implement it and do the work because that's, what's ultimately going to get you where you want to go.

That's what it is. That's it. That's the bottom line. I didn't even know that you had put that book out. I need to scoop that up for myself.

I got you one. I'm going to send you one myself, Freddie. Don't you worry, big dog.

Okay. Well, I appreciate that.

Appreciate you giving me a chance to run my mouth today.

Hey, this is the, you know, it's finally, we're, we're finally at a, at a point in a position in our lives where running our mouths and, and, you know, saying what's on our brain is actually, it's, it's beneficial. It used to probably get us in a lot of trouble, but now it's actually, it's actually helping instead of, you know, instead of hurting our case.

I cannot wait to make a post about that sometime. Keep your eye out folks. Come and find it. It is going to be a good one.

Yeah. Well, we'll, uh, we'll wrap it up. Drew B man. I appreciate your time. Big time. It's, uh, it's been a pleasure. It's been good to catch up with you again. Uh, it's been, it's been a little long, but it's, uh, it's been good.

Hey man, seasons and reasons. And at the end of the day, Freddie, I'm proud of you. I'm excited for what you got going on and I'm looking forward to the next time we get to hug and have another one of these conversations.

Likewise, likewise, we'll keep in touch and hopefully we'll catch up soon. Yes, sir. You know, we will. Appreciate you. I hope y'all, uh, hope you and your family, I hope y'all have a, you know, and for, for those that, uh, aren't aware, you know, we're actually recording this episode on new year's Eve. So this is, this is, uh, this is a pretty nice way to close out the year, you know, having, you know, good company, good conversation, good exchange, and I'm digging it. I like it. Thank you, Freddie. You too. Yes, sir.

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